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♪ a very warm welcome to you. this is "worldwide exchange." i'm wilfred frost. >> and i'm carolin roth. these are your headlines from around the world. the greek stock exchange reopens business after a five-week shutdown. the main index sheds 23%. banking stocks decline. as markets level as fears of a china slowdown hits sentiments. this after a factory incident to its lowest level. hsbc's turnaround plans
starts in the sale of its brazilian unit. meanwhile, the german bank profits double. heineken shares maintains guidance in strength in most of its markets upsets weak demand in africa. it tells cnbc is can weather the challenges. >> if you look at the next coming 25 years, the first big positive for our industry was some hiccups, but they will remain positive for the long time. good morning, everyone. let's get straight to some macro economic data in the form of eurozone july manufacturing pmi. that came in 52.4. versus a forecast of 52. slightly better than expected.
the june was 52-.5. what we're seeing in july a tine will slowdown. let's just go through the different economying. spain's manufacturing sector saw a surprise slowdown in the month of july 53.6 below expectations but still expanding but we saw the fastest rise in employment since the start of 2007. let's also talk about france. it was below the boom bust line of 50. july, 49.6. but the german number was slightly better than expected at 51.8. but let's get back to greece. >> yes, indeed carolin. we'll dive into broader markets in a few minutes. there it is greece down two 22.7. and then manufacturing just 30.2, the lowest level in years.
but it's the first trading day for the an aagainst stock exchange after the last five weeks and trading down sharply. the banks expected around one-fifth of the exchange they're all down sharply, as you can see. pretty much the same among, national bank greece alpha bank, piraeus bank all down some 30%. earlier we spoke stot chairman of the commission and asked him if the athens stock exchange is a dangerous place for investors? >> there are some uncertainties, but there's no doubt that the official stance now that we are going to work within the existing european framework and awithin the consisting agreement with the goal of obtaining a larger agreement as soon as mid-august. so, i think the thrust for the
greek economy is that it will remain firmly within the european union. and will the financial possibilities that we have both as as a country and as a market. and i think that it's worth risking. >> well, interesting declines of course, around about 22% overall. the index back to where we expected. it's the first day back and they can start building going forward. we know the can in general has been kicked down the road. things have been sold. you don't want more declines in the coming weeks. >> no we knew it was going to come. it's a little longer than expected. five weeks, that's a terribly long time for markets to be closed. but very dire circumstances for the greek economy. they came back from the brink. but now i guess the question really is going forward, will they strike that deal in the month of august, i think that remains to be seen. if they don't strike it with the
eurozone numbers the other institutions, well, are we going to get another round of bridge financing. >> exactly. this 22% market decline coming in the the face of some kind of solution but not total solution. and that's really been weighed out in the prices today. >> meantime the economy is really suffering. the european commission came out with its latest forecast saying that the economy could drop between 2% and 4% this year so we're back in recession. but who's surprised because after that sort of summer you'd expect to see that. >> indeed that manufacturing pmi coming out this morning very, very weak. >> we want to bring you the latest from the ceo of hsbc he's been saying that they've been impacted by the recent fall in the chinese stock market. society second half will likely be more muted than the first half. when he says impacted. that means a very positive impact and that's something that brokers have been pointing out
this morning. it's real interesting that ubs saw a similar effect. equities did remarkably well in the first quarter. the first quarter is where we see the seasonality, where the money is being put to work. >> exactly, these guys can flag on the volatility. they're not taking a position either way. that of course has played a part on hsbc. this comes as hsbc's shares in the green with its results. the company posting a 10% rise in first half profits helped by trading activity in china. hsbc also announcing the sale of its brazilian unit for more than $5 billion as the firm looks to shed some of its less profitable assets. joining us from eric moore. thank you for joining us let's kick off with hsbc. of course you're an in portfolio manager with a focus
on the uk. >> that's right. >> you used to hold hsbc but you don't at the moment is that right? >> i don't at the moment. it's in a transitional period. it's given up as being the world's local bank. and trying to figure out what is the role of such a large organization in a world where regulators want simplicity. investors want simplicity. and maybe hsbc is the world most complex bank. >> it's a complex bank. but times in the second quarter where we see the huge volatility in the markets and other markets doing better is it still one that's too big? because we still want sizable banking operations to benefit in good times, don't you? don't you think that hsbc and other banks across the board are chopping up too much? >> the hsbc are actually okay. i worry a little more about asian impairments down the road.
there's been a huge bubble. the biggest in the planet hsbc they're in some way involved in that. they've got a big business in hong kong. they've got a stake in bank of communications in china, an industry in had chinese lender. and only 12 basis points so hardly any. there's no bad losses at all at the moment. and unsustainable good. >> and you say that is underappreciated by the market right now. because shares are rallying today and on the ftse so far this year. you think there's a lot more in the closet that could still comeout. >> there's still more. i think the move today is mainly a refrekzlection own the brazilian disposal. 5.2 is definitely to their credit. >> let's move off of hsbc eric and touch on barclays. thank you performance over the last 12 weeks. last week new announcements
coming from the interim executive chair. how pointed is it to have the executive chair making new announcements, appointing new people, if you've still got a new ceo to come in? >> yeah that's an interesting question. i think he's tried to make a little wiggle room for the newer appointee, whoever that may be. he's taken away the dividend commitment. he said i want an income fund so i want the precommitment of page out 40% to 50% of the profits in dividend. and they stepped away from that. in a way, that gives a bit to the successor but in the short term, it's a little bit of disappointing. >> we got super thursday coming the bank decision coming this week. what do you expect? and how does that come among the uk assets? >> the interest rates it's just a journey of continuing to push
that rite. it really hasn't come and last year was a bit of the same. the economy is recovering, so unemployment is low. there's a little bit of wage inflation around which i think is important. and i think the bank should raise. i think it should be a positive way. we shouldn't figure out this is only supposed to be a temporary move to low interest rates. for six years, it's been an emergency. actually, if we can raise rates, that would be a sign that we're getting back closer to normal. a raise in rates would be very small and incremental. >> eric your focus on income and dividends. is there any value out there? because a lot of people out are there piling into that because that's where some yield is left seemingly? are we finding any of that? >> yeah there's still yield
around. so that's a pretty attractive starting point in a low-interest rate world. my hope is to grow that dividend by 5% as well. so i'm focused on growing the dividend as well as not just sustain them. the areas in particular pharmaceuticals, and telecoms. and some of the banks like life insurance and car insurance. >> and they should is benefit from the rising rates? >> banks in theory will be a beneficiary. but i think the textbook might need to be slightly thrown out. the textbook says rising rates equals good for banks. i think the markets may anticipate that a little bit so it has been raising. but i think given the starting point is 50 basis points you know, we've never been here before and given any rate rises are going to be quite modest. >> eric thank you so much for that. eric moore, fund manager at
mikon. germany, second largest learned reported profits almost three times higher than the previous years. the company's chief executive hailed the bank's turnaround strategy and awarded shareholders with the first dividends in eight years. and that's a blessing. he's been at the helm throughout the financial crisis that in itself is a big achievement. >> i think the market is welcoming this. there are a couple of tax effects in there but easy comparisons. but a big bounceback you compare that to the turmoil of the deutsche bank this is a big performance. that's why it's up 2% 3%. >> they have sold large parts of their shipping business real estate business and that's where we saw a tiny bit of a loss. but those issues are largely done and dusted.
and they have invested banks. so the point i was trying to make before in these very very strong second quarter numbers that we saw with the likes of ubs, for the likes of barclays for the likes of hsbc i mean it say bank with very small exposure to the investment bank really going to reap those benefits. >> indeed so. that's enough for the banks for now. just a quick reminder of what's happening in greece. the stock exchange currently down 21.7%. the banks in greece down in and around 30% each. the latest flash we're getting on the story, greek, july economic sentiment index hits its lowest level since october 2012. of course, all the headlines today coming to a head out of greece, because those stock markets opening for the first time in five weeks. all right, still coming up on the show a massive california wildfire jumped 20,000 acres overnight. we've got the latest on the efforts to bring it under control.
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first trading day in five weeks has opened down by 21.4%. most of the declines coming in the banking sector which does about 22% of the athens stock exchange. as you can see, the major greek banks are down some 30% each. let's also broaden out and look at the rest of the europe. and it's worth remembering what greece has done today, the first trading day in five weeks and what european markets did over the course of july of course today the first trading day in august. germany up 3%. the likes of france and italy were up 5%. it's worth bearing that performance in mind in the face of what has been quite a crazy month of news in july. many all the indices in positive territory for the month. today as you can see, across the rest of europe excluding greece. and one of today's best
performance, after the company reaffirmed its guidance. the company lost in the second quarters. revenues held steady at up 6.6%. and abengoa up sharply. after a 650 euro capital hike. this after criticized for slow implementation of its plan. still down sharply. rolls royce up about 5%. the firm increased its stake in the company on friday reportedly after researching the career of the former arms holding boss. this is according to the financial times. and heineken is up 3.6% after it beat expectations in the second quarter. the dutch group boosted by its strong sales of premium brands
like sole and desperado. let's have a look also at bond rate which is put in perspective the move that we have seen of course in equity markets, because the course of july has seen some bond buying again, i.e., safe haven-seeking purchases that see yields on the german ten-year pushed down to 0.66. we've got the u.s. 2.2, rather than 2.4%. just again highlighting despite what equities markets are doing, there's still risk aversion out there. the euro is still below 110. it has recovered a little bit during the second half of july still relatively weak at 109.6. the euro at 124. and sterling has been broughtly flat during july. 1.56 just holding tonight gains
it made. let's check in on markets in asia. asia. sri is standing by in singapore. >> hi it's around the pmi, factory activity and it was confidence in the broader markets. what this is telling you, we're seeing a sluggish demand picture both at home and one abroad. and one that warrants more stimulus. and additionally more policy support from beijing. what's interesting, it seems to be changing. whenever you see that data you see the market rallying rallying the expectation of more moderate easing. not this time. i think it's a response to the leverage we have in the market and the bad data triggers more deleveraging in the broader market. that is what we're seeing here. shanghai composite down by
relatively modest when you consider the volatility of july 1.1%. the other factor here the currency space we've seen a lot of depreciation in malaysia linger. as we creep closer towards fed normalization. now a fresh 17 year low. that is the lowest level in malaysia's currency since the financial currency crisis of '97 and 1998. and oil, malaysia is an oil exporter. hsbc commenting on this saying they are recommending selling the blazing ringgit against the ruppier, saying both undergoing trades of shades shock.
the market confidence is shaken. the big question is whether we're still in the early innings of further asian depreciation or whether this is the worse it gets. >> thank you very much for that. of course, it is the first trading day of the month of august and a positive return in july for all lee major indoo cease in the u.s. and pretty much most of the europe too. are they being a little bit complacent. get in touch with us at worldwide @cnbc.com. or by twitter, our present handles on the screen now. significant returns, of course in july, despite greece. significant returns in the u.s. despite fears of rate hikes and international issues. we've got the nasdaq 8% year to date. germany up 15% year to date. pretty extraordinary?
>> i think you really got to pick the markets is it you were invested in commodities, inlining with energy you lost this year. once again that was the worst performing sergt in the s&p this month. it was down some 8%. there are a couple of surprises. utilities did incredibly well even though they did so poorly in the months leading up to july because obviously it's a bond flex. they were one of the best investors, up by 6%. with that volatility in the month of july you couldn't really time the greek crisis you couldn't really time china, if you're trying to trade throughout july, that was tough. >> i think if we focus on u.s. equities and yes, the dow is down fractionally year to date. nasdaq up 2% year to date. it allows to us focus on what has happened since rates went this low. we've had an extraordinary rally
in the market, albeit as you say what you're looking at, but have we really seen enough gdp growth given the extraordinary policy? with the loose interest rates, surely, we need to see 5% not 2.2%. i just don't think we've seen enough to justify where equities are. >> but if you wait until we get to 5 a% by then we'll have so much inflationary pressure back in the economy. and the fed doesn't want to be behind the curse. they would never run the risk. they'd be under so much pressure. >> absolutely. my point being that equity market, surely when we do see that, are they not going to react to the fact that rates are mode yoker and rates are going up? germany up 15%, sure but put in perspective today, when you see how greece has opened having not been open for five weeks. and what the rest of europe has
done the rest of july it is quite a surprise. >> it is quite a surprise. did you see the employment index on friday? that was pretty poor. gdp didn't blow it out of the park either. all right. july was not a very kind month for david einhorn. reportedly slumping more than 6% is down now to 9% for the year. einhorn owns physical gold and he called one of his biggest bets in an-n a recent investor letter. miken technology fell 3% and apple dropped 4. >> dan lobe highlights a successful traffic record of talented ceos and inspiring
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the greek stock exchange reopens for business after a five-week shutdown. the main equity index sheds over 20% with banking stocks leading the declines. meanwhile, pmi data plummets to a 16-year low in greece. asian markets at the lowest levels of the year. and this after factory activity in july shrinks to levels not seen since 2013. off to a good start, investors clear hsbc's turn around plans starting with the sale of its brazilian unit for over 5 billion pounds meanwhile, the german bank offers that after profits double. and heineken, most of its markets offset weak demand in africa. >> if you look at the macro
trends for the next coming 25 year, the first to be positive for our industry was some hiccups from time and away but they will remain positive for the long term. and a quick look at european equity markets. we are mixed today. lots of things to deal with. we've got slightly better than expected earnings. and we also have some data. >> we have. we've got uk manufacturing pmi which last month was 51.4. it's forecast at 51.6. it has risen to 51.9 for june. so just ahead of forecasts as you can see, sterling is essentially flat on the day and hasn't moved too much off the back. that's a testament to the fact that we're just fractionally ahead. manufacturing pmi 51.9 up from 51.4 last month. and of course we'll be foge coverage in the uk for sterling
on thursday's banking meter. >> super thursday they call it. let's go back to european equity markets then we seem to be by and large shredding the off the decline in greek equity markets. the ftse 100 off by a third of 1%. the xetra dax also 1%. remember european markets up some 4% for the month of july. we had klein that data as you heard in the headlines that is putting that sentiment a little bit. let's have a look back the bottom line in the month of august. the month for brits and americans, you should get yourself to europe. it remains below 110. 109.63, the euro today. and markets in general, shrugging off the volatility that we're seeing purely focused in greece.
relatively flat including sterling by that pmi number 156.20. let's get back to greece then because stock markets in greece have opened for the first time in five weeks. as we can see on the charts they're down by a whopping 20%. we want to show you some of the biggest on the performers. the national bank of greece down by some 30%. we've got alpha bank off by 29.8%. and piraeus off by 30%. and euro bank off by 30% as well. this is sort of a decline than what we're anticipating for the month? >> i was really expecting a 20% decline. it looks pretty much in line. we were down 23% at the session. it has a little bit of a bounce now with three percentage points. if you look at the banks, a fifth of the index overall, some of those do trade in the u.s.
the national bank of greece actually up around 20%. it's interesting to see actually a 30% drop across the board for these banks because that is obviously what we've seen in the u.s. we spoke to the chairman this morning, and what i pointed out, what they've got ongoing investments for the investors. they can't use deposits so they're still concerned about further cash being taken out by the banking sector. of course, capital controls are still in place. but national investors they can buy and sell at will. so i think my concern here is you're effectively biassing the market towards the sale side. perhaps the difference between that and the u.s. in the last five or so weeks with what's going on here actually tells you there's a situation as far as the sale side is concerned. >> absolutely. julia, in the last five week everyone was so concerned about the state of the greek banks once markets do open. even though we got a deal many people have said four banks will become two. how healthy or unhealthy are
those banks now? do we still expect that sort of consolidation? >> i think the first thing that's got to happen we got to make a decision over recapitalization. it was expected to be free capitalization. we know there's some kind of hold in the banking sector. obviously with the capital controls rightly increasing in the nonperforming loans. they might request the greek government around 10 billion euros for recapitalization this month. i think it may exacerbate the need for that and the stocks. it's interesting you guys talk about what's going on with china and the uk is concerned, greece today with 16-year lows actually since the data began farce the manufacturing sector is concerned. >> economic sentiment also coming off a low since we've been saying the china story, what does it mean for the
fundamental economy. the fundamental economy suffering as we expected. julia, thanks so much. asian markets ending the session lowering the fears of economic slowdowns. the china manufacturing pmi coming in worse than initially estimated at 47.8. joining us now from hong kong is the chief economist for emerging markets. richard, thank you so much for joining us once again. it's worrying to see we saw a stabilization seemingly in the second quarter but that didn't continue into the third quarter. do you think this just an aberration? >> well i think that's exactly the key point for me. you put your finger on it the big news here we are continuing to see deterioration in the manufacturing sector at least from the market pmi from the aflash sector. to me this means this is the industrial sector trying to move
being under pressure. >> what does it mean for further stimulus? it seems the pboc and the government, they've thrown everything with stimulus infrastructure stimulus and the economy. it doesn't seem to be working. doll we expect more and will they fine-tune it? >> i think they have to do more. part of euro has just finished a semiannual meeting. and without getting into any specific details out of that the unsurprisingly clear message was that growth remains a priority. and growth is essential to head off financial risks, as you rightly say, what was exemptcerpted over last year we have that, so more item stimulus is getting
less result. it means authorities are going to have to do even more if they have any chance to hit the 7% growth target this year. so more stimulus coming. i think that's certainly about the only safety forecast we can make on the chinese economy at this stage. >> richard, does that mean the longer term negative structural effect of more stimulus now far outweigh the shorter term positive cyclical effect? >> well i think that's right. i think the chinese policymakers have been worryingly conflicted for some time. they know, like many other economies, there are substantial up front costs to doing restructural reforms. and the benefits of those reforms much more uncertain and much more likely to kick in over a period. if we do reform now, we make a poor growth situation even worse. if we delay, with downsides risks continuing to build. the net response i think, as we've seen in many other economies is to effectively kick
the can down the road. that horrible cliche i think we're seeing that in action in china. >> richard, if we focus on specifically how the chinese authorities have begun to deal with the stock market decline in the last couple weeks. have financial investors in the western world really lost confidence in the authorities. do the chinese authorities have no credibility left? because they had been moving towards a pro-market financial stabilization, has all that good work been undone? >> well maybe, not all the good work. but certainly, the intervention does raise questions over credibility. i think the policy mistake was the authorities to effectively turn a blind eye, or even to some extent actively cheer lead the runup in the market which was clearly sustainable, clearly led by rapid increases in the market which were always in
danger of unwinding in disorderly fashion. i think that was a policy mistake, i think the intervention given the scale of decline, the sudden pressure that we've seen in the last month is understandable. but, look clearly this has set back china's desires to marketize its economy by some way. >> richard iley chief economist for bnp paribas. according to a senior aviation soushl aviation source, it will purchase the planes, iran intends to fund the purchasing through leasing, loans and state funds. asia's largest commodity trade noble group as denied to fund a bond this week. noble group saw its shares sink. insists it can fund the $735
million payment due this week. noble has brought forward its future results to next week to coincide with a report on practices. as you can see up to date 4%. ratings agency standard and poor's predicts that corporate spending will decline more than 10% due to the fall in commodity prices. explained earlier on cnbc why the rout was having such a pronounced effect. >> as high as 45%, 56%, back from 39%. down a third in the quarter with spending so while they're falling, you know global capex struggling to grow. >> joining us from barclays oil prices have taken another sharp decline over the last three or four weeks. what's the reason for that? >> a number of reasons we've seen the crude stocks and the
commodity stocks that's sk affecting the refining margins. and that's one reason. on the second side the macro fund we've had the china lead as well as the iran lead as well. a number of factors have coincided to clear up the break, much needed break to help balance the market. but as much as things are looking weak at the moment i think the price in itself will be a catalyst to tighten the market balances come 2016. we think there are a number of factors to look out for. that's part of the reason why we're constructive now. >> but the supply levels haven't really dropped too much despite, you know, the last six months of decline. why do you think this last month of declines will lead people to reduce and surprisely
tightening? >> so the rates have begun to fall a. we never expect to see a knee jerk supply reduction. as you said, opec has provided quite a bit as well. as you know in the next coming months opec will not produce at these levels. saudi arabia has summer requirement news. we'll possibly see less production from there. iraq i'd say is the other key opec producer to look at. they are having issues in the north and the south. and having infrastructure issues. and they're having local unrest as well, as much as they're using a lot of oil, the localization they don't have that with ramadan and the summer season. even in the north, relations are not good as well. so expect two things. this is what we're saying
constructing the balances because opec production will not be as high going into the next six or nine months. and the other main factor is demand. in terms of the data that we're seeing at the moment is very much underestimate at these prices these we the catalyst works to help out. >> i want to talk to you about a couple things. first of all, demand with china date and did europe data it just doesn't look good doesn't it? on the supply side you said they've actually increased by 26%. it doesn't seem that supply is really being taken off the table and that tells me that the saudi strategy of defending market share over price simply doesn't seem to be working. they've been trying for nine months now and it's simply not paying off. was that the wrong gamble altogether? >> no i think the saudi strategy is something that takes time to work up. >> for how long? >> it will take time possibly
because how slow it is. we've keen the capex adjustment. $2 billion. and in terms of u.s. share production a few rates have you know, started coming up again. and we need to remember since where it was in december we're 60% lower. u.s. share production still has very sharp decline rates. and eventually, they'll catch up. we're not saying u.s. production is going to decline significantly. we're saying that the rate of growth is $1 million with the experience in the last two or three years, that will not be the case. and in terms of demand, the best part is even with where we are, you know, with economic data today's china economic data as well, we've seen very strong numbers. it was only $700,000 last year. the price itself is the cure for demand. just like the saudis. the saudis did mention we want our prices to be favorable as
well. now we're expecting global argument. we're like to close to $2 million. >> we'll let you go. i've seen data the slash into bullish bets of u.s. crude to the lowest in five years. are they the swing investors, if you will? is it all down to them what we saw in month of july? >> part of it yes. base positioning has taken a u-turn as you mentioned. but the other way of thinking about it now that they have expressed that view, there is say lot more room for them you know -- >> pare back -- >> -- pare back. some positive indicators are looking slightly positive. >> always great to have you on the show. still to come on the show you're fired. that's donald trump's tv catchphrase. now he's had to say it to one of his political advisers.
u.s. military to defend themselves from attacks from isis or elsewhere. this marks a significant increase in the role of the u.s. in the ongoing syrian conflict. let's get more detail with that. >> basically this looks like mission creep. essentially what this is going to allow is u.s. military to work within the strike zone to test the fighters that we have trained, that we are supporting the u.s. coalition fighter as well. this opens the door to potential problems, god forbid with yemen and other areas. president obama has said we do not negotiate with terrorists. we're talking so much what is happening with turkey and president erdogan. it looks like the u.s. has played right into his plans. for so long they've refused to say we're going to take out
assad. we want him gone but we're not going to do anything to effect that change now that may or may not happen as a result of this policy. so we have mission creep here and slight chain in the rules of the game. >> has this increased the deployment of troops in the region? >> no one will ever say that to you. but there's a possibility that you'll see more on the ground because we already have hundreds of advisers. and the question is how close are we to the front lines? meaning that the u.s. will have to take further action. that's going forward. and also what you're hearing from folks in washington. the dialup has shifted. we're even talking about the possibility of an iraq breakup. this is something that no one has talked about now that the dialogue is changing i think we'll see interesting things happen. >> do you think the foreign policy issues are going to come
to the foreground in debates? this is going to be a top issue? >> absolutely. people say this and it comes down to the economy. you have to remember for the democrats, the former secretary of state clinton is going to be running. you have to remember on the republican side this is one of the really big questions that people are talking about, they're concerned about. so i definitely think you're going to hear more of this certainly with the debate coming up. >> hadley thank you for that. president obama is set to unveil toughering climate rules today. the plan seeks to slash from the private sector. that's a 9% increase from the previous proposal. coal accounted for 39% of electricity last year. industry groups and some lawmaker in stays that rely on coal-based technology have relied on it to be in court.
and donald trump is leader of the pack. nbc/"wall street journal" poll know 19% pick donald trump. he's fold by jeb bush and it was made after made. vice president joe biden may be thinking about throwing his hat into the presidential race. "the new york times" reports that biden is actively exploring a run. from donors that either haven't committed to hillary clinton or are concerned about her vulnerabilities as a candidate. biden hasn't made plans to visit iowa or new hampshire. the times said he'll make a condition early next month. let's get out to nbc's tracie potts in washington. tracie, i've got to bring up trump once again. 19%, wow. >> he's been on top of the national polls for a while which
is why he's probably pretty much secured a place on that debate stage on thursday night. while the top seven or eight seem to be set, the bottom two or three are not. we've got ohio's governor john kasich fighting to get on the debate stage in his own state. new jersey governor chris christie said once you're in the state, it doesn't matter what your rankings are. and then also former texas governor rick perry who has run before and admits after poor debate performances he's going to have to really have to shine, if he's able to make that debate stage on thursday. it is still iffy. now, the other seven candidates we know that 17 on the republican side who are not in the top ten. the bottom seven is will have a separate debate in the afternoon. earlier that same day on thursday and the republican party and fox news have taken some rifts about that.
the republican party saying you can't treat someone with 18% the same way you treat someone who is polling half a percent in the polls. we'll find out how it shapes out on thursday. >> thank you for that tracie. >> i have to say, interesting to see donald trump at the top of the polls. i have to say it's very refreshing. i'm not saying that i agree with the content. i do like the fact that he's speaking his mind he's happy to be controversial and indeed that's given him significant results. polls in the last decade and in the u.s. has become tedious. they tow the party line. >> but what is actually the political agenda. he was asked about that on "meet the press" on nbc, he said well, you know we want to bring jobs back to america so that's so far one of his key economic poses. that's a very populist policy.
it resonates well with voters out there. but what is he going to say on foreign policy? what is he going to say on immigration? well, that you can figure. what is he going to say on defense? does he have credibility on any other measures. we know he's a great businessman, no doubt about that. >> thursday's debate is going to be fascinating. just to come back to the biden story as well what is fascinating about this he is the v.p. and he's not in the race yet. that highlights two things for me for overwhelming power and support of clinton to begin with. and the fact that he's now being considered how badly she's transferred that original power into traction. and the media reports particularly poor. and the fact that some people say it's the party itself urging biden to get involved. once it becomes a two-horse race, maybe she's not going to get the traction that she needs.
>> she might not. back to the top story, hsbc has reported a 10% rise in pretext falls well above expectations. this after the bank begins to deliver on its strategic plan. bernie lowe has been reporting in hong kong. >> hsbc is starting 0 do what they promised to do in june that is move some more risky asset to western markets back in the east where the roots were found. a 10% dump northward interim earnings led by private wealth management businesses in hong kong, the fact that they're able to confirm the sale worth more than $5 billion of the brazilian banking unit known as banco bradesco. other media reports have said that hsbc is also poised to announce a sale of 700 million to $1 billion to its turkish
welcome to "worldwide exchange." i'm carolin roth. >> i'm wilfred frost. here are your headlines from around the world. the big stock exchange reopening after a five-week shutdown. banking stocks lead the declines. meanwhile pmi data for july plummets, a 16-year low. off to a good start, investors cheer hsbc's plans starting with the sale of its brazilian units for over 5 billion pounds. meanwhile commerzbank announces its first dividend since 2007 after profits double.